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Divine wrote:

Black Angel wrote:Wasn't it written in the bible that the woman is to be submissive unto her husband.. I also heard that the husband is entitled to get it whether his wife wants it or not.. so it is like, either she gives in, or he takes it..

That is sooo not true.

I agree, and I strongly disagree with a lot of things in the Bible, but at the very least, it is interesting reading. My grandfather who is a minister told me a long time ago that there is no such thing as rape between a husband and a wife.. because the wife belongs the husband.. and that it isn't wrong for a man to hit his wife. I realize that there are a lot of people who believe this as well, and take things from the bible too literally.. (like the Quiverfull, and "be fruitful and multiply")

That is why when I read the Bible, I take it just about as seriously as I would my other books on Greek and Roman Mythology. It isn't just men who take the Bible out of context.. every other group who has an agenda of their own does so to.. and what's worse is that they use it as a tool to teach ignorance, intolerance, and hate.

All I know and believe is two things.

1. No means No.. and if you try anyway, then I reserve the right to castrate you.

2. If you put your hands on me, I'll just say this. I have a right to defend myself by any means necessary, and I will always exercise that right.. and if, in the the process of doing so, your life is lost, then so be it. I'll sooner catch a case than be a victim and I'll always fight back, even if there is a very real, and very strong possibility that I'd lose.

It isn't wrong for a man to hit his wife and thats in the bible??? Well excuse me while I go BEAT THE SHIT outta my wife....Move OVER CHRIS BROWN cause HERE I COME!!!!

earl u stupid lmao!

swtearl wrote:It isn't wrong for a man to hit his wife and thats in the bible??? Well excuse me while I go BEAT THE SHIT outta my wife....Move OVER CHRIS BROWN cause HERE I COME!!!!

He didn't say that it was in the bible, (though I am sure that he wouldn't say it if it wasn't) but that it wouldn't be considered wrong back then. I said there are those who believe this, and (in conjunction) take a lot of things from the bible too literally (that was why I mentioned the Quiverfull in parenthesis.)

Way back in history, (I forget which decade, but it might have been before the 50's) it wouldn't have been considered wrong for a man to strike a woman, even if he wasn't her husband. I read somewhere that back then, if you were seen wearing an outfit that was believed to be revealing, and it was known that you were married, that a man who saw this, had the right to strike you. The same went if you were seen arguing with your husband in public.

It was also the common belief that if a woman dressed provocatively, and she was raped, that she was the blame and asked for it because of her clothing. Not only was the woman demonized for dressing provocatively, she was also arrested, because she wore what she did, and the man couldn't be held accountable for his behavior and he was often believed to be the victim in this case since he "couldn't help himself" was let go. It was believed that no one would believe the words of a "slut" especially when compared to the words of an "upstanding citizen."

However, I came across this post, and found not only people who believe that a man has a right to take his wife by force, but one other person went on to cite scriptures from the Bible, supporting this theory. As seen in this quote:

Sister Rachel, I am glad to hear this come from a fine, outstanding Christian woman. Our detractors like to throw baseless accusations that we are a bunch of sexist men who use the Bible to justify our wants.

We only need to look no further than our beloved King James Bible to see that God sanctions the right for a man to enter into intercourse with his wife at any time he sees fit. Just a cursory glance at a couple of Bible verses show this to be so...

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

You can't be fruitful and multiply if your wife is closing herself to you. She is going against God's Word© by denying the husband sex!

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

From these two posts we can clearly see that God has intended women as property of their husbands. If something is your property, you have a right to do whatever you want with it. The Genesis quote tells us that men have the obligation to rule over women. The exodus quote implicitly states that women are property by lumping them in with all other objects which would be considered property.

1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1st Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Women are Saved© through childbirth. But when she refuses to give into her husband's demands for sex she is damning herself on the road to Hell.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

It doesn't get any more transparent than that! Submit yourself unto your husbands! This is the Word of God© right here!

We can see through proper understanding of the Holy Bible that God intends for men to have sex with their wives at their own will and discretion. Marital "rape" is nothing more than an invented modern-day concept created by God-hating feminazis. As True Christians™, we need to write to our congressmen and organize protests so that we can strike down these unholy and draconian "marital rape" laws. God is not pleased!

My grandfather likely cited the same scriptures as reasons why Spousal Rape doesn't exist.. but at this point, I had already knew right from wrong and I knew not to look at the Bible for anything other than entertainment. Though the term "Nazi" is humorous in its irony considering the fact that it was those fighting Holy wars and members of the church who killed others (considered heretics) for thinking and believing differently, and if anything, a liberal mentality only upholds your right to think differently, even if they disagree with it.

This is, and among other things like it, is why I say that while I believe that there is a God, (I mean something had to start evolution) I do not follow religion, nor do I identify myself as Christian and I take the Bible with a grain of salt. I don't hate, or discriminate against anyone and I try to live my life as a good person, I respect my parents, and I know not to steal, do drugs, be promiscuous, murder, lie, blaspheme etc... I know right from wrong, and I know not to judge others regardless of what they believe because it isn't my place to do so. I know that I should help others, if I am in a position to do so, and not take advantage of them, and I believe that if you live your life as a good person, then you will be rewarded, and if you didn't then you will be punished. I didn't need the Bible, or religion to teach me these things and if believing this way is what'd get me sent to Hell when I die then so be it.